Mary and Meredith (AKA "The Mares") chat about "Everyone Hides" from Wilco's album Ode To Joy, its music video, and the parts of ourselves we conceal from others. They also go off on a hearty Beatles tangent - buckle up!
(Theme music fades in: guitar strumming, slide guitar glides in. Music fades out as the co-hosts Mary MacLane Mellas and Meredith Hobbs Coons begin to speak.)
Meredith: Hey, buddies.
Mary: Hey!
Meredith: Hey, Mary.
Mary: Hey, Meredith (laughs).
Meredith: Welcome back-
Mary: -to-
Meredith: -Wilco-
Mary: -Will-
Meredith: -Love-
Mary: (High pitched and held out) you!
Meredith: Yay! A podcast by fans - Mary and myself - about the music, and influence (quietly) of Wilco.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: Cool. So, we just toured The Loft.
Mary: Yeah. (Laughs) we totally just toured The Loft.
Meredith: In a sense... and that sense is that we just watched "Everyone Hides," the music video.
Mary: Which is so fun. That song already makes me happy. And the music video is the cherry on top.
Meredith: A little dose of joy.
Mary: It is. It really is.
Meredith: It's the kind of thing... that we all need right now.
Mary: Yes.
Meredith: That I need. That I can say.
Mary: For sure.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: Should we take a listen?
Meredith: Yes. Let's do that.
Mary: Let's listen. Or, you know, watch the video? Listeners, you can watch the video. We already watched the video.
Meredith: We did.
Mary: But we would encourage you to watch it before this podcast because we're going to talk about it.
Meredith: Yeah, or you could pause right now. Do your thing.
Mary: Go to YouTube, "Everyone Hides" video.
Meredith: Mm hmm. It's a good one.
Mary: All right, here it is.
(Music fades in: Bass starts the clip. Jeff Tweedy sings: "Oh, no one denies/ Everyone hides/ Oh oh, everyone hides... If you're selling yourself on a tale/ Where the details drift with time/ Where the point gets lost in the telling/ And the telling was the point all the while." Music fades out.)
Mary: We're back. That was the "Everyone Hides" video-slash-song.
Meredith: Should we start Video? Or should we start Song?
Mary: I feel like maybe Song would be appropriate?
Meredith: Mm.
Mary: Then we can get into the video?
Meredith: That sounds good to me. We're planning on the fly. And we're not sorry... about it.
Mary: Not sorry at all.
Meredith: Mm-mm.
Mary: This is very organic. If you're into organic foods and whatnot, which you should be-
Meredith: I mean, everybody is... I would think.
Mary: Everyone hides.
Meredith: Yeah, (laughs) exactly. There's the theme of the song right there.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: How would you summarize this song?
Mary: I feel like when I've been listening to it - until I just looked at the lyrics and, like, really did a very analytical listen - I kind of viewed it as everyone hides like, "oh! No one's genuine anymore," like, kind of like a downer on society? But now that I- I look at it more, it's more like, "Hey, like, people, don't give up who you really are." You should actually pursue, like, who you really are, instead of hiding behind, like, a façade of what you think you should be.
Meredith: Right.
Mary: I kind of saw it as, like, a more, like, negative connotation that was hidden behind this, like, upbeat- and now I feel like it's a little more hopeful. And I like that. Because I feel like... it fits the mood of the song better.
Meredith: Mhmm. Yeah. Though, that's... you know, not always necessary that the mood of the song and the lyrics... go together. It can help.
Mary: Yeah. And, like, the last verse, like (reads lyrics) "If you're selling yourself on a vision/ A dream of who you are/ An idea of how it should be/ And a wish upon a star/ Remember... It can't be denied." That means like, someone else can't shoot that down for you- that dream. So it was cool to like, actually look at the lyrics while listening this time, because I think I kind of had a different idea of this song until... this listen.
Meredith: Right. And thank you for highlighting those lyrics in particular, because... I think that I kind of glanced- (laughs) or glossed over them. I didn't glance over them. I read them. And I heard them. But I feel like I get kind of caught up in the first... couple of verses, I... don't notice them as much, because a lot more is kind of kicked in, and I'm still kind of-
Mary: -yeah-
Meredith: -processing and... in that world of the first couple verses.
Mary: Yeah. I just think I'm pleasantly surprised by, like, the outcome of the song, even though I probably would have kind of cynically thought it was different? I mean, it's still a critique on society. But it's not the most, like, hopeless critique on society (laughs).
Meredith: So the way that I sort of read it is... similar to what you were saying, but I feel like it's almost this kind of freedom of knowing that everyone is posturing to some degree.
Mary: Hmm.
Meredith: I feel like it's kind of a celebration of like, "Oh, don't worry about feeling like a phony or some kind of a poser or something." Because literally everyone that you know is doing it to a certain degree.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: And everyone only has this sort of concoction of what their image is and who they are. And it's all kind of this construct. And so you can be liberated by that- you can choose to be liberated by that, instead of obsessing over it and worrying how you come across. It can be freeing to realize, "Oh! Everyone's doing this."
Mary: Yeah, I like that insight.
Meredith: Thank you.
Mary: So were there any lyrics that particularly... stood out to you?
Meredith: I had a misheard lyric again.
Mary: You did? What was it?
Meredith: It was, "And you know where the bodies are buried/ But you can't remember where you buried the minds." It's "mines," but I thought it was "minds," and that I think they did intentionally.
Mary: I did too!
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: I thought it was minds!
Meredith: I think they were going for it.
Mary: I figured, like, the bodies... but then... brains.
Meredith: Uh huh. They did that on purpose (laughs).
Mary: I think they did. Because I had the exact same- exact same one.
Meredith: When I pulled them up right now. I was like, "Oh! (laughs) That's not what I thought!"
Mary: I... love that line. And I also love the last two lines on each, um-
Meredith: -yeah-
Mary: -verse, like "...the point gets lost in the telling/ And the telling was the point all the while," which is so... relatable, because sometimes you're just telling someone a story, not to get your point across in your story, but just to like, tell someone a story and like, have it be like, kind of an ego moment for you to be proud of yourself like-
Meredith: -right-
Mary: -"oh, this is a cool story."
Meredith: Just to seek validation from somebody.
Mary: That's what I was looking for.
Meredith: Yes.
Mary: And I love that lyric. Because I feel like I definitely... do that.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: And I feel like many of us do.
Meredith: Yeah, absolutely.
Mary: And then it follows that up with "Deep inside/ Everyone hides/ Some of the time," and which is really like- everyone does it.
Meredith: Yeah. Yeah. It's giving that permission. It's our uncles in Wilco (laughs)-
Mary: -(laughs) yeah-
Meredith: Telling us it's gonna be okay (laughs).
Mary: It'll be okay.
Meredith: Another thought that I had on... the lyrics is just how much I... enjoy the really tight structure of them. There's kind of a formula to each verse. And I don't always like that, but sometimes it's really satisfying. To have them kind of fit into-
Mary: -yeah.
Meredith: Like, the first line of each verse is an, "If you're saying" something to yourself, kind of- to summarize it like that. "If you're telling yourself a story," "If you served yourself on a tale." And then the... next line of each verse is- it's modifying that first line.
Meredith: It's adding a detail about the story that you're telling. And it's a really poetic little touch, (reads lyrics) "Where the secrets twist like vines... where the details drift with time..." And the rhyme is tight there on at least those two lines, from- between the two verses. And... it can kind of be fun to have those rhymes that harken back to... the structure of the previous verse.
Mary: Mhmm.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: And it's just a little auditory thing that's really satisfying to me. And then... it just kind of continues to... describe the story that you're telling... yourself. But then those last two lines of each verse, they have... sort of some repetition that's kind of satisfying, (reads lyrics) "where the bodies are buried... where you buried the mines... gets lost in the telling... and the telling was the point all the while." And there's just something that I enjoy about the level of detail that goes into lyrics like that, and how much you sort of have to think about it and process it to write them that way. Because that's more the way things were done. It's kind of more of a traditional... approach to songwriting. And now especially- Jeff Tweedy likes to kind of get really free with it, and break rhyme schemes and do all kinds of things like that in his lyrics. But here, it's more true to form.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: If that makes sense. That's at least how it kind of lands on my ear, and there's something comforting about the structure of it.
Mary: I really appreciate your lyrical insight because I'm not a lyricist or a songwriter. And you are. I tend to pay more attention to, like, bass and drums. Like that's pretty much what I pay attention to in songs.
Meredith: Yeah. And I love that you do.
Mary: Because that's my world, but if we weren't doing this podcast, I probably would never look at these lyrics. It's just not the way I usually listen to songs. I love talking about them. It's inspiring me to be more attentive.
Meredith: Well, cool! I'm glad. Thank you. And... it inspires me to hear your insights into the bass and drums and instrumentation in general because you're a much more trained musician than I am (laughs). I'm scrappier (laughs).
Mary: Yeah! (Laughs). Well, speaking of instruments, should we talk a little bit about the instrumentation of this song?
Meredith: Let's do it.
Mary: So... I didn't have like a ton of notes about this song... except that I love that guitar solo so much. It's so... organic, it's kind of like a gut punch guitar solo, if you know what I mean, like in the best way possible. It's so short, it's like maybe a 15 second solo, but it's just like- just what the song needs.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: It doesn't break the mood. I really enjoy that guitar solo. I enjoy the really, like, capo'ed guitar, the rhythm, kind of, riff.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: A lot. I love that riff.
Meredith: Just listening to, kind of, the tone of that really capo'ed guitar riff... am I way off base thinking it was maybe more of like a nylon-y...
Mary: -I think it's a nylon-
Meredith: -string? Yeah.
Mary: It definitely sounds like a nylon to me.
Meredith: Yeah, that was the quality that I'm hearing at least.
Mary: I forgot to, like, make note in the video what... guitar he's playing, which I don't know if we should really go off of that.
Meredith: Yeah, I don't know either.
Mary: The first four songs on this album are like, incredibly complicated soundscape-wise-
Meredith:-right-
Mary: -but this is one of the songs that I listen to most on the record, I think just because it's just really, like, fun.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: We just talked about, like, the content of the song, which is incredibly... deep and cool. This record needed songs like this, and like "Love is Everywhere"-
Meredith: -right-
Mary: -to just ground it?
Meredith: To make you feel good.
Mary: It's kind of like when you have painters like Picasso who do like crazy, incredible abstract paintings. But he was also like, actually a really great figure painter, that was trained. That to me adds value to Picasso's work, because he was not just, like, lazy, he was actually, like, intentional about being experimental. And Wilco, we know, is not just being lazy.
Meredith: Mhmm. Right.
Mary: They're being very intentional with their experimental sounds that they make. And they can just play a straight up, really good rock song, like this. So I always really appreciate these... on Wilco records.
Meredith: What I was saying about the lyrics, kind of. It is actually a skill to operate within constraints like that.
Mary: Yes.
Meredith: And so, instead of just being like, "Oh... you know, this song can be whatever we want it to be, and it can have all these weird elements, and it can have this, you know, solo that takes off from here and goes on till... God knows when"-
Mary: -yeah-
Meredith: There is sort of an economy and a skill in crafting a song that is sort of a traditional rock song, or something that's more typical of an existing style. And so yeah, I think that that's true, too.
Mary: I totally agree.
Meredith: And I had one other thing written. My one note on the instrumentation was "Actual strings? No? That little (vocalizes descending pitch glide.)
Meredith: Yeah, yeah.
Meredith: What is that?
Mary: I think it was a slide. Or even pedal steel?
Meredith: Maybe!
Mary: I'd have to listen to it again, really carefully, to know.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: But I don't think it was strings. And I don't think it was synth.
Meredith: But... it seems kind of interesting, like the slide is almost... sort of play-acting as... I don't know, to my ear, it has... a quality about it that- like the resonance or something- where it almost could pass for, like, a note on a... violin? (Laughs) Am I- am I crazy to say that?
Mary: No.
Meredith: Or even like... something not from, sort of, the... I don't know.
Mary: Like, the regular arsenal of instruments that they use, or...?
Meredith: Right. Like a shamisen or something like that?
Mary: Huh. Yeah.
Meredith: Like from... Japanese music?
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: I mean, not that I think that they went there. But... that it almost has... a quality like that to it.
Mary: Huh. Yeah. That's interesting. Should we talk about the video?
Meredith: Let's do it.
Mary: Because video is just fun, and-
Meredith: -it is-
Mary: -and... there's all kinds of little easter eggs in there, and... you know, I feel like it really is just every Wilco fan's dream to see The Loft someday.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: Because how cool is that? And it's like, where all the magic happens for Wilco.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: And I would, you know, love to go there someday.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: It just would be so fun. It'll happen someday, Meredith. We'll get there.
Meredith: It will. Oh... that would be so cool.
Mary: We'll get to The Loft. Did you have something?
Meredith: I don't have... as much as you. I saw you typing away.
Mary: I have a lot of things. So we can go through these.
Meredith: Yeah, go for it.
Mary: So my first one was like "The Loft!" And I love that they take you up the stairs. And it's like, "This is how you get to The Loft!" I love how we've been talking a lot about in the other songs, like, "Who's playing what? What instrument is that?" I enjoy that this was a video made about them playing together, and we see instruments, and we see the space. And... we aren't wondering who's playing what really.
Meredith: Right. We see them doing it in real time.
Mary: Yeah. I love how they disrupt the song, at least twice.
Meredith: (Laughs) uh huh.
Mary: When they run outside and Jeff starts counting. I love it when music videos incorporate new elements. Like, I think even that Tweedy video we were talking about-
Meredith: -yeah, off mic (laughs)-
Mary: -where they're going door to door... and I can't remember the name... of the song right now.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: We could look it up. But they have some moments in that- like, they have a whole outro that- where like... Nick Offerman is like an... ape man.
Meredith: (Laughs)
Mary: And, like, it's so wacky, and I- I just love that.
Meredith: Yeah, "Low Key" is the name.
Mary: "Low Key."
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: That's the song I was trying to think of. And then... I've lived in Chicago, so I kind of recognized a few of the little Easter eggs, and one of them is that- I think it's Mikael Jorgensen- gets on a Divvy bike, which are, like, the bikes in the city. I had one. You get a little, like, key fob. You put money on it. And then you could put it in like a key, and take a bike out-
Meredith: -oh-
Mary: -for like half an hour. And you can ride throughout wherever you want in the city.
Meredith: That's so cool.
Mary: And there are these bikes that are everywhere. So it's really great.
Meredith: I envy your Chicago experience (laughs).
Mary: Yeah, I really miss Chicago.
Meredith: It's always a dream.
Mary: Oh (sighs). It's the best.
Meredith: Maybe someday.
Mary: It's my favorite city. I love it. I love that Jeff just stops counting and he just orders food. He orders a lot of food. It's like two bags of takeout.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: And he gets popcorn and he has... movie night. He's just like, "I don't care. They can go." Another little easter egg is they use a Lyft, and it's really funny because they actually like (laughs) particularly, like, zoom in on the Lyft logo, which I was like-
Meredith: -(laughs) oh!-
Mary: -did they- did Lyft pay them to (laughs)-
Meredith: -that's funny-
Mary: -put Lyft?- I mean, I used Lyft in Chicago.
Meredith: Right.
Mary: We don't- I mean, there's Uber, but I feel like more people use Lyft.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: It was fun that they all go to like their favor- I feel like they all went to, like, their favorite haunts, or at least Wilco-significant spots?
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: Glenn goes to the Marina Towers.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: I think it was Glenn. And then John goes to Cu- the- uh- Wrigley Field.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: And that's one of my favorite shots of the whole music video-
Meredith: -uh huh-
Mary: -is like- you see him, like, opening up one of the score windows and then it zooms out. That's such a great shot.
Meredith: Yeah, that's a great shot.
Mary: Pat goes to the Music Box theater, which is really fun. And I think he's a pretty avid movie... person from his Instagram. He's posted about the Music Box before, so that's a pretty cool little easter egg.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: At the ending, I was realizing- I didn't realize... that... I think it was Pat? That was playing a Rickenbacker. That classic, like George- I think George Harrison had that red Rickenbacker?
Meredith: Uh huh. Yeah.
Mary: Or was it John? They probably both did. I think, in fact, they were both gifted those by Rickenbacker.
Meredith: Oh, right!
Mary: If I remember correctly. I thought it was really cool he was playing that, because the end of the music video... I mean, how could it not be a nod to the Beatles rooftop concert?
Meredith: Yeah, it definitely is. That's just a given right there (laughs).
Mary: How could it not?
Meredith: But you know what? It kind of ties into the theme of the song, because it's... something that people get self conscious about, like, doing things that are so iconic after they've been made so famous. And, so... I know (laughs)- I have a personal little quick story about that. My husband wanted to start playing bass, here and there in bands that'll have him and stuff like that. And so for his birthday, I bought him a bass from our friend, Randall Sena, who owns Certain Sparks in Lompoc, and it's the McCartney style- like the little cutaway violin bass? I was like, "Oh! Should I really do that? Because I don't know how he's gonna feel about playing that bass." Because anytime you see someone with that bass, you're like, "Oh, yeah. Paul McCartney. We get it." But it's a good bass, you know? So-
Mary: -yeah-
Meredith: -I mean, play George Harrison's Fireglo finish Rickenbacker 12 string, like- who cares? Do a rooftop concert, even though obviously, like, it's a nod to the Beatles- who cares? Everyone hides. Everyone's posturing in some little way.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: Just go with it and do it if you want to.
Mary: And it's a doubly kind of brilliant move because the Beatles quite literally hid for like-
Meredith: -oh, right-
Mary: -a long time-
Meredith: -stopped playing live-
Mary: -and didn't play live. And that was their, like, first time playing live in a few years - like, maybe like 10 years. It was a long time.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: I forgot exactly how long they didn't play live, but-
Meredith: -it was a while-
Mary: -it was a while. So I thought that that was kind of- even fit with the theme of the song of like, even the Beatles, like, hid (laughs) from the world, and they, like, wouldn't play live, because they got so... mobbed when they were playing.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: It was insane.
Meredith: It was after 1966.
Mary: Yeah. Okay.
Meredith: Until they broke up in '70... or '71.
Mary: '71?
Meredith: Yeah, I want to say '71. I feel like my Beatles facts should be way more on point for how I was raised, and my dad's about to be super (laughs) depressed.
Mary: See, I feel like mine were better... maybe five or 10 years ago? I mean, I still obviously love the Beatles.
Meredith: Right. Right.
Mary: Their influence is, like, incalculable in music.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: And I enjoy them.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: But I went through a major Beatles phase, like when I was... in junior high.
Meredith: Oh, yeah?
Mary: I would have known everything (laughs) in junior high. All the facts. Everything.
Meredith: I had phase like that, too.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: Yeah. My dad showed me Help when I was in second grade.
Mary: That's so great!
Meredith: And- yeah. And I just became obsessed with the Beatles. It was to the point where I didn't listen to any other music until... about third grade, when people started, kind of, telling me that it was weird to (laughs) not listen to anything other than the Beatles. And so then I branched out, and I would listen to oldies-
Mary: -yeah-
Meredith: -and the Beatles. And that was it! It was like a very gradual...
Mary: I had, like, my Beatles phase. My other, like, major phase was Jimi Hendrix. So great.
Meredith: Yeah, I was little enough in my Beatles phase where- when- like, I had a Paul McCartney doll that was super important to me (laughs).
Mary: Was he your favorite?
Meredith: Yeah, he was my favorite when I was a kid.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: I love them all, you know. You can't not love them all. But... it kind of morphs around. I put McCartney on when I'm depressed and stuff (laughs).
Mary: There you go.
Meredith: And Ram. But I love George. Like, I've really gravitated toward his full body of work and... everything.
Mary: George was always the one I was drawn to, I think because I was kind of quiet and shy and he was quiet and shy and like-
Meredith: -yeah-
Mary: -kind of looked over, and- I also probably enjoyed his solo career the most out of the four.
Meredith: Mhmm. Yeah. Same. Yeah.
Mary: That was a fun little Beatles tangent.
Meredith: It was a really fun Beatles tangent. And before we leave it, I just want to say that that video has an air of Help about it.
Mary: It totally does.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: Oh, it totally does!
Meredith: (Laughs).
Mary: Even A Hard Day's Night! Like they're running around the city....
Meredith: Mhmm. And then of course, you know, Let It Be with the rooftop.
Mary: Oh, it's a- one, big Beatles...
Meredith: They're like, what's the theme of this song? "Oh, yeah! Why don't we just go for it, and do a (laughs) Beatles/Chicago mash up?"
Mary: It's kind of a Beatlesy song! I'm even thinking of the guitar solo now, and that's kind of a Beatlesy guitar solo.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: It's kind of fun to think about that.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: It's not, like, so direct that I... am going to think about that all the time now when I listen to it... they have just enough easter eggs in there - whether it was intentional or not, which I'm-
Meredith: -I would think yes-
Mary: -I would be very surprised if that... went over their heads. Especially with the music video, so-
Meredith: I feel like that kind of sums it up.
Mary: We've talked about this song about as much as we can, huh?
Meredith: I think so.
Mary: That was really fun though. That was a fun conversation.
Meredith: Yeah. Oh, I enjoyed it.
Mary: Well- for a fun song!
Meredith: I always enjoy these conversations with you - for the record.
Mary: Yes! Me, too!
Meredith: And for the record, I also love John and Ringo (laughs).
Mary: Oh, me too! Oh my gosh. I love Ringo. I love, in the all the movies, how they gave him his own little, like, sad journey that he goes on.
Meredith: A little arc. He does.
Mary: He always goes and walks somewhere by himself.
Meredith: He does!
Mary: And he looks sad. And he, like, throws rocks in the water, and... walks... there's like ducks. And then he's, like, the focus of Help, because of the ring.
Meredith: Yes.
Mary: Ringo's ring!
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: How on the head can you be?
Meredith: Yeah. Some of Help definitely doesn't age great, but- (laughs) but it's still got some great humor, and some great cinematography.
Mary: Oh, yeah.
Meredith: Like just beautiful shots.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: Oh my gosh.
Mary: Oh, totally. It's like- the production value is there.
Meredith: All the Swami stuff is pretty cringeworthy (laughs) but-
Mary: -wait, which stuff?
Meredith: The... main character!
Mary: Oh!
Meredith: The guy who's trying to sacrifice (laughs) Ringo? That's all pretty cringey. Yeah.
Mary: That's right.
Meredith: Yeah.
Mary: (Laughs) you know...
Meredith: The music is great.
Mary: The music is great.
Meredith: The shots are amazing.
Mary: It's really like a music video.
Meredith: The humor is amazing. It's still totally holds up.
Mary: I love their room. Like, I remember, like, seeing their room.
Meredith: Oh God! Their rooms!
Mary: And like Ringo's bed comes out from a- like, the floor or something.
Meredith: Uh huh.
Mary: And I just remember being like, "That's, like, the coolest... room ever!" Like, when- as a kid watching that, I was like, "Ugh, can I have a bed that, like, comes out of the floor? And, like, a loft?" and-
Meredith: -and John's was sunken down into the floor.
Mary: Yeah!
Meredith: And Paul had a white organ that came up out of the floor, and George's room was the best, and this is why I think I ended up pivoting to George- one of the reasons. It seems like he just had such a great sense of humor. He has the gardener that sits in a chair in his room and he has, like, grass- or what's supposed to be grass- on the floor, which he dutifully trims with the little chomping, novelty teeth (laughs).
Mary: (Laughs) those novelty teeth!
Meredith: That's so good (laughs).
Mary: It's so good. (Laughs) oh my gosh.
Meredith: Yeah, I definitely- again, because my hardcore Beatles phase was in second grade- I definitely made some of my friends pretend that- that those were our rooms. We would definitely act out scenes (laughs) from Help that took place in that room.
Mary: That was so great.
Meredith: In fact, let's go do that right now.
Mary: Yes! Let's build a... Beatles apartment house. Or whatever they had.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: Them and The Monkees had the best houses.
Meredith: Right. The Monkees.
Mary: Because of course all of them live together.
Meredith: (Laughs) right.
Mary: (Laughs) and, like, love each other so much that they never have to be apart.
Meredith: Yeah (laughs) that's how I feel about everyone I work with.
Mary: I want to live with them.
Meredith: (Laughs) yeah, let's just be together all the time.
Mary: Let's just live together (laughs). All right.
Meredith: Yeah. Convenient for musicians, though. Gotta say.
Mary: It is very convenient. If you're on the road, and you're-
Meredith: -you can always work something out-
Mary: -practicing all the time... On that note-
Meredith: Until next time, when we shall... discuss... ooh! "White Wooden Cross!"
Mary: "White Wooden Cross." So good.
Meredith: "White Wooden Cross." I'm ready.
Mary: I am, too.
Meredith: Mhmm. I'm excited. Okay.
Mary: Ooh! Don't forget to subscribe to us.
Meredith: Oh! Yeah, do that.
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Meredith: Yeah. Exactly. And remember... most of all... that Wilco Will Love You.
Mary: Yes. Yes. Wilco Will Love You.
Meredith: Mhmm. They put it in a song. I can hold them to that. I mean, I would say I can't speak for them, but I- I mean, they spoke for themselves.
Mary: Yeah.
Meredith: It's out there now.
Mary: It's- that's what it is.
Meredith: It's out there and I'm just reminding them of their contract with their fans (laughs).
Mary: Alright.
Meredith: Mhmm.
Mary: Until next time.
Meredith: Alrighty. Buh-bye.
Mary: Bye.
(Outro: Wilco Will Love You is co-hosted by Mary MacLane and me, Meredith Coons. It is edited by Greta Stromquist and recorded at Portola Studios. Theme music by Adam Nash. You can rate and review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe at Apple Podcasts, or wherever you prefer to listen, so that you don't miss an episode.)